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Jpec07
05-30-2010, 05:17 PM
Okay, so this is a really freaking nerdy idea that struck me about a year ago that I haven't quite been able to decide. The question is a simple one in form: who would win in a fight? The Flood or the Borg?

The Flood [halopedia] (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood)
The Flood (Latin Inferi redivivus meaning "The dead reincarnated"), or The Parasite as they are known to the Covenant, are a species of highly virulent parasitic organisms that reproduce and grow by consuming sentient life forms of sufficient biomass and cognitive capability. The Flood were responsible for consuming most of the sentient life in the galaxy, including the Forerunners, during the 300-year-long Forerunner-Flood War. The Flood presents the most variable faction in the trilogy, as it can infect and mutate Humans and Covenant species, such as Elites, and Brutes, into Combat Forms. They are widely considered to be the greatest threat to the existence of life, or, more accurately, biodiversity, in the Milky Way Galaxy.

The Borg [memory-alpha] (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg)
The Borg were a pseudo-race of cybernetic beings, or cyborgs, from the Delta Quadrant. No truly single individual existed within the Borg Collective (with the possible sole exception of the Borg Queen), as they were linked into a hive mind. Their ultimate goal was perfection through the forcible assimilation of diverse sentient species, technologies, and knowledge. As a result, they were among the most powerful and feared races in the galaxy.

The physiology of each Borg drone varied according to the species from which it was assimilated. Drones were typically humanoid, although the Collective has demonstrated a willingness to assimilate non-humanoid life forms.

Upon assimilation, a drone would cease to grow body hair and develop an ashen, grayish skin coloration, ignoring original skin pigmentation. Cybernetic implants would be either surgically attached to the body or grown internally by nanoprobes injected into the bloodstream. The nature of these implants varied from drone to drone, depending on its intended function, but basic nodes of cordical, interlink & cortical array are implemented in every drone. In certain cases, parts of the body such as an eye or an arm would be amputated altogether to make room for the cybernetics. The implants of a fully assimilated drone allowed it to function for extended periods without shelter, food, water, or even air. A drone's only requirement would be a supply of energy to maintain the implants that in turn maintained its biological functions. This energy would be supplied during regeneration cycles within a Borg alcove. Upon receiving damage, drone would return to the cove for assessment of the damage. Severely damaged drones would be disassembled and scavenged for reusable parts.

The Argument
The gist of the fight is the demonstration of the Borg's assimilating nanoprobes versus the Flood's aggressive, physiology-altering virus. Both "species" fight with a hive-mentality, where individuals act in accordance with the greater collective consciousness. Each side is also highly adaptable, and presents an ability to be utterly ruthless, but each side also presents a weakness in the susceptibility and potential vulnerability of its "head" (Gravemind and the Borg Queen). Both "species" also possess the ability to use and adapt technology to their needs.

So assuming the Halo rings are rendered inert by the time such a fight would happen, who would win?

Zak
05-30-2010, 06:06 PM
As much as I love Star Trek, the flood. The flood is a virus that can wipe out the borg. The borg cannot add robot parts to the flood and convert them

Skittlemeister
05-30-2010, 07:17 PM
I totally agree with Zack. The Flood are like a mindless thing. Viruses aren't alive, they simply take over, and host bodies. So, robotic nano things aren't going to do much against something controlled by a not-alive virus.

wiggums
05-30-2010, 07:25 PM
Viruses aren't alive, they simply take over, and host bodies. So, robotic nano things aren't going to do much against something controlled by a not-alive virus.
http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/yellowstone/viruslive.html


Borg wins. Period.

Skittlemeister
05-30-2010, 07:26 PM
http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/yellowstone/viruslive.html


Borg wins. Period.
That doesn't make any sense, that article proves my point. The borg need something alive to take it over.

Denominator
05-30-2010, 09:59 PM
[4:50:39 PM] jpec07 says: Borg or Flood: who'd win?
[4:51:14 PM] Denominator says: I was just reading that. Flood.
[4:51:57 PM] jpec07 says: oh really?
[4:52:07 PM] jpec07 says: for argument's sake, I'll disagree
[4:52:48 PM] Denominator says: The main difference between the two being that for every Borg you assimilate, you need all the mechanical parts, as opposed to the flood that simply change over via the virus.
[4:53:27 PM] Denominator says: The flood need absolutely no external pieces - everyone becomes flood without exception while the borg will hit a critical point at which they can no longer build any more borg.
[4:55:30 PM] jpec07 says: ah, but the Borg have the nanobots, which are capable of converting biomatter into the mechanical pieces required for assimilation
[4:56:45 PM] Denominator says: It's still an extra step.

I also question whether a Flood can be turned into a Borg, whereas I am certain that a Borg can be turned into a Flood.
[4:57:49 PM] jpec07 says: it all comes down to the question of whether or not the Flood virus is stronger than the Borg nanobots
[4:59:15 PM] Denominator says: Virus wins.
[5:03:24 PM] jpec07 says: I really don't know about that
[5:08:36 PM] Kyle (C) says: Can the borg bring things back to "life?"
[5:20:41 PM] jpec07 says: assuming the corpse hasn't begun decay, I imagine that reanimation would be a possibility for the Borg, yes
[5:20:57 PM] jpec07 says: though they typically like to take their assimilationees alive
[5:22:05 PM] Denominator says: I disagree there. Any of the Borg that are seen are alive at the time of assimilation.
[5:22:17 PM] Denominator says: The leave the bodies of whoever they kill behind.
[5:45:12 PM] Kyle (C) says: In that case, flood wins

Flood.

Skittlemeister
05-31-2010, 09:39 AM
[4:50:39 PM] jpec07 says: Borg or Flood: who'd win?
[4:51:14 PM] Denominator says: I was just reading that. Flood.
[4:51:57 PM] jpec07 says: oh really?
[4:52:07 PM] jpec07 says: for argument's sake, I'll disagree
[4:52:48 PM] Denominator says: The main difference between the two being that for every Borg you assimilate, you need all the mechanical parts, as opposed to the flood that simply change over via the virus.
[4:53:27 PM] Denominator says: The flood need absolutely no external pieces - everyone becomes flood without exception while the borg will hit a critical point at which they can no longer build any more borg.
[4:55:30 PM] jpec07 says: ah, but the Borg have the nanobots, which are capable of converting biomatter into the mechanical pieces required for assimilation
[4:56:45 PM] Denominator says: It's still an extra step.

I also question whether a Flood can be turned into a Borg, whereas I am certain that a Borg can be turned into a Flood.
[4:57:49 PM] jpec07 says: it all comes down to the question of whether or not the Flood virus is stronger than the Borg nanobots
[4:59:15 PM] Denominator says: Virus wins.
[5:03:24 PM] jpec07 says: I really don't know about that
[5:08:36 PM] Kyle (C) says: Can the borg bring things back to "life?"
[5:20:41 PM] jpec07 says: assuming the corpse hasn't begun decay, I imagine that reanimation would be a possibility for the Borg, yes
[5:20:57 PM] jpec07 says: though they typically like to take their assimilationees alive
[5:22:05 PM] Denominator says: I disagree there. Any of the Borg that are seen are alive at the time of assimilation.
[5:22:17 PM] Denominator says: The leave the bodies of whoever they kill behind.
[5:45:12 PM] Kyle (C) says: In that case, flood wins

Flood.
Exactly.

But I thought it was Borg against the Flood seeing who would win against each other.

Am I wrong in thinking who can assimilate the most?

Regardless, the Flood still win.

Denominator
05-31-2010, 11:46 AM
Exactly.

But I thought it was Borg against the Flood seeing who would win against each other.

Am I wrong in thinking who can assimilate the most?

Regardless, the Flood still win.

That was my line of thinking. If you put the Borg on one side of the Universe and the Flood on the other, then let them both assimilate their way to the middle for an epic battle, my money is on the Flood.

xthorgoldx
10-17-2010, 08:25 PM
That was my line of thinking. If you put the Borg on one side of the Universe and the Flood on the other, then let them both assimilate their way to the middle for an epic battle, my money is on the Flood.
That's sickeningly intriguing.

My money's on flood, for the reason that the Borg don't/can't assimilate corpses. Now, this may seem a small problem... but remember, all Flood experience organic decay (it's why all Halos but Reach have "gore" ratings). Ergo, assuming that the Borg can't assimilate corpses due to biological decay, no Flood-infested forms can be assimilated, while Borg can be infested by Flood. It would turn into a Forerunner-esque war.

BadCompany Brik
11-25-2010, 07:08 PM
Each side is also highly adaptable, and presents an ability to be utterly ruthless, but each side also presents a weakness in the susceptibility and potential vulnerability of its "head" (Gravemind and the Borg Queen).I'm not familiar with Star Trek canon, but I do know that the Gravemind isn't a single entity. It's a conscious mind that forms when the amount of Flood reach a certain critical mass. There is no one head or place that you could attack/kill that would render the rest of the Flood useless. It is, by my understanding, formed by the collective whole, operated by the combined intelligence of the collective whole, and commands the collective whole of the Flood.

Also, it would depend on the ability of the Flood to infect beings that aren't completely organic. Would an infected Borg be able to operate at the same degree of effectiveness as, say, an infected Elite, or an infected human?