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CO x Paladin
11-27-2009, 08:24 PM
Vector versus P90

I have been thinking of what SMG to put on my Shadow Ops class. I have already unlocked the Holographic Sight for the Vector, and I know that it has its advantages and disadvantages:

Advantages:


Relatively low recoil.
Relatively good accuracy.
Disadvantages:

Low clip size.
Relatively low range.
I only have the Red Dot Sight for the P90, and I'm wondering if this weapon is better than the Vector.

Advantages:

Large clip size.
Good close-quarters weapon due to rapid rate of fire.
Disadvantages:

Relatively high recoil.
Relatively poor range.
Somewhat poor accuracy.
I'd like the advice of the Modern Warfare 2 players on this site to voice their opinion on which gun is better.

There is also a third alternative I am considering in the long run: an F2000 with a Silencer/Heartbeat Sensor and Red Dot Sight/Holographic Sight. I'd still like your advice.


Also, I'm debating which long-range assault rifle is better: the FAL or the M16A4.

Zackj191
11-27-2009, 08:33 PM
You know what I love, more than anything? When people write in bright (the yellow and white) text! It's sooooo awesome and makes you look so cool!

P90 definitely. It's the best weapon in the game and is extremely balanced. It's prefect for a class that wants to be a special operative and go around un-noticed. It has a super perfect rate of fire and sprays so perfectly that it's astounding! So I would definitely go with the P90!!

Choose the Vector, it's actually really good. It just takes a little getting used to then you will rape with it.

Canadians360
11-28-2009, 11:43 AM
You could at least tell him the reasone it's a bad idea is because some members use skins with white backgrounds.

MovingTarget602
11-28-2009, 12:42 PM
In response to P90 vs. Vector: It depends what attachments you like, the P90 excels with the silencer due to very low recoil, while the Vector is better with some sight, like RDS. P90 is better for stealth, while Vector is better for rushing. I personally prefer the Vector.

In response to FAL vs. M16: I would definitely recommend the M16. It is more powerful, just as accurate, due to three shot burst, and is just an all around better gun than the single shot FAL. IMO

Vandal
11-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Iv never been comfortable with my P90 so i would use the vector. I think the range would help you out in the long run compared to a large clip size with the P90. As for m16a4 vs FAL....Iv seen my accuracy jump 3% just switching to the M16 from the SCAR. Cant say with the Fal, but my vote is M16

CO x Paladin
11-28-2009, 06:33 PM
Thank you for letting me hear your thoughts.

But, I have one more question:

In the long run, which is better: F2000 or ACR or AK-47?

aMoeba
11-28-2009, 06:51 PM
ACR

Zackj191
11-28-2009, 06:54 PM
I always favored the AK-47. But since the game guns arn't realistic, in terms such as jamming and the such, the F2000 and the ACR are better.

Pel
11-28-2009, 08:15 PM
Thank you for letting me hear your thoughts.

But, I have one more question:

In the long run, which is better: F2000 or ACR or AK-47?

The ACR, definitely. The accuracy and the (lack of) recoil more than make up for it's lack of damage.

MovingTarget602
11-28-2009, 11:08 PM
ACR definitely. Its my favorite weapon. =) Its accuracy and relatively low recoil and rather high fire rate makes up for the lack of power. I hate the F2000 and the AK-47 was kind of a let down from CoD4's AK.

DimmestBread
11-28-2009, 11:47 PM
The problem I had with the vector was how fast it could kill someone. I don't use stopping power and I use a silencer so it took a little more than half a clip on average to kill someone, going to both extremes.

I personally think SMGs are pretty useless. Assault rifles can do everything the smgs can do except they have a much bigger range (moving a tiny bit slower isn't a problem)

MNM1245
11-29-2009, 10:31 AM
For your first question use an MP5K. It is a well rounded gun and it quite accurate if you get good with short bursts with Red Dot or Holo or something. It's basically the only SMG I use. But for your other question use an ACR. Best gun in the game imo

xwooden leafx
12-05-2009, 08:36 PM
p90 vs vector- neither. go with the ump45, much better range and great clip size, its the closest SMG to an assault rifle
FAL vs M16- M16, although this one can go either way. play around with both, but my vote is M16. but they are pretty much even
F2000 vs ACR vs AK- i havent unlocked the AK or F2000 yet, but the ACR is the best gun in the game, nuff said.

MultiLockOn
12-05-2009, 08:51 PM
I never understood why people liked the P90, it's so weak.

MNM1245
12-05-2009, 10:05 PM
I know! I hated it. The only SMG I use in MW2 is the MP5K. Love that thing. The recoil is pretty bad sometimes but once you learn to keep it under control it is perfect on a stealth class.

Time Glitch
12-05-2009, 11:00 PM
I love running silenced classes, and when I'm leveling up with all the different guns, Iwent through all the smgs with silencers/silenced class.

The best smg out of them all is by far the UMP, however if you're choosing between the Vector and the P90, go Vector. The shallow clip is hardly noticable if you fire in short, controlled bursts at range (which it does have a surprisingly high range if you fire it like this), and it has considerable stopping power when sprayin' and prayin' up close =).

CO x Paladin
12-06-2009, 10:56 AM
Well now I'm using a UMP-45 with Holo and a SCAR-H with Thermal and Hearbeat. I also have a class with an M16A4 with a Red Dot.

M16A4 beats the FAL by a longshot. I really just love the feel of the gun, because it gives me a feeling of power.

The SCAR-H and the M4A1 are in a contest in being in my "Frontlines" class. Please advise if you will.

UMP-45 is pretty decent, as it is very much like a rifle. I'm, however, questioning whether I should even use SMGs in the future, or just slap on an assault rifle with a silencer.

MNM1245
12-06-2009, 11:19 AM
I would say "slap" an ACR with a silencer on your class, because ACR imo has the best iron sights without any scope so you won't need bling or anything, and as for SCAR vs M4A1 go with the M4A1. It is really good with Red Dot or Holo.

xUrBaNx xSn1PeRx
12-06-2009, 12:19 PM
The problem I had with the vector was how
fast it could kill someone.



isnt that a good thing?

DimmestBread
12-06-2009, 01:16 PM
isnt that a good thing?

I said how fast it kills someone. I don't say that it does kill fast. THen in the next sentance, I say it takes on average a little more than half a clip without stopping power.

MovingTarget602
12-06-2009, 01:38 PM
I never understood why people liked the P90, it's so weak.

Large clip + fast fire rate + low recoil makes up for lack of power.

MNM- MP5K is too bouncy for my tastes. Pales in comparison to CoD4's MP5. If you give up its fast fire rate, you can get the more powerful and lower recoil UMP.

CO x Paladin
12-07-2009, 07:44 PM
Would a "Stealth ACR" with regular iron sights and Heartbeat be good? I have heard that the iron sights for the ACR somewhat obscure the view and that switching to a different sight is a wise option.

Also, hopefully when I Prestige, I'm going to make a Demolitions class which will feature an MP5K (And later on, a Mini-Uzi) and an AT4-HS (Later replaced by Stinger and Javelin). A decent sidearm to compensate for a massive anti-vehicle weapon, huh?

MNM1245
12-09-2009, 08:58 PM
I think the ACR has awesome iron sights. And yes ACR with heartbeat would be good for a stealth class. I have a demo class that I use too btw.

Primary: Sniper of your choice
Secondary: Javelin(Or another launcher if you haven't unlocked
Equipment: Semtex
Special Grenade: Stun
Perk 1: Scavenger
Perk 2: Stopping Power or Danger Close is good with the Javelin
Perk 3: Whatever you want

But ya I find with a demo class I prefer to snipe and launch Javelins and move up towards the enemy slowly grabbing more Javelin shots from enemies I have killed while moving up. This tactic works really well if you cover a friend running in for an objective. But ya I would say try a sniper because a Demo class doesn't seem like a SMG kinda class. Seems more like a long range. Maybe a shotgun class though. idk whatever you wanna do dude. It's your class lol.

CO x Paladin
12-14-2009, 05:08 PM
I've recently unlocked the Advanced Combat Rifle (ACR) and it works brilliantly. Although not as pin-point with regular iron sights, it is an excellent weapon, and would make for an awesome stealth class.

I've seen that this discussion has died down a bit. Maybe some more talk please?

DimmestBread
12-14-2009, 07:13 PM
I pose possibly a simple question: Does a silencer do anything to amount of damage. I know it rapes your guns range but I find I kill so much faster without it on and am starting to take it off of my guns. It doesn't show that it affects damage on the chart but does anyone know for sure?

Evilution202
12-14-2009, 08:30 PM
I think it may take longer for you to kill someone because the accuracy is lowered. It may not actually hurt the damage, but you have to use more hits to kill someone because you are missing with the silencer attached.
Right now I switch between 2 classes most of the time.
ACR with ACOG and FMJ.(Most don't like ACOG but I like it)
My other class that I use all the time is my runner class.
It consists of a UMP5k with a Holo sight and then Marathan Pro, Lightweight Pro, and Commando Pro. Did I mention M9 with tactical KNife. And the Icing on the cake is when I get a 4 kill streak and can use the care package glitch.

CO x Paladin
12-29-2009, 08:31 AM
Intervention = Win.

The Intervention is the sniper rifle king. All other snipers do not compare. As long as you have a good spot to hold your ground, you can deal some serious damage with this thing.

My method is the same as many of the pros I see on Youtube - scope in, fire, scope out right after you fire, take cover and reload/do the process over if I need to continue to fire.

MNM1245
12-29-2009, 10:03 AM
I never scope out because then when you scope out they can see where your sniper spot is by what walls you can see. If you stay scoped in they just know that they were being aimed at.

CO x Paladin
12-29-2009, 06:16 PM
Good point. But then again, my TMP takes care of the guys who try to get in close.

I also have a slight disliking of one-handed guns (PP2000, Glock 18, Mini-Uzi) and the M93 Raffica. I don't quite know why I don't like one-handed guns, maybe its just a sense that the proper way to hold a gun is with two hands. I also think that the idea of a burst-fire pistol is just silly. TMP Holo Sight with Extended Mags for the win.

Also, suggestions for a Search and Destroy class please? Primary weapon must be assault rifle and secondary must be a handgun and not a machine pistol.

Fenian Bhoy
12-29-2009, 06:27 PM
Pfft, I would have a Shotgun for Hardcore S&D. I use my M1A1 always. That with Heartbeat is so easy to win with, using Bling I would use the Heartbeat and Red-dot.