Xforgery is NOT dead!

[Tim]

With Null stepping down as admin it seems that everyone wants to light themselves on fire and scream "It's the end of XForgery :onfire:". While it is indeed a huge loss to the Xforgery community it's not the end of the world.

Already we had some people leaving or saying they're leaving due to these recent events and I need to remind everyone that things like this happen all the time in online communties. Xforgery is not immune to any potential drama and staff changes that might occur; people come and go all the time. Some leave because they're just burned out and they move on to other things, others have life and work to deal with and they feel that they can't support the community anymore because of that. Regardless of the situation, staff changes are nothing new. After all we all can't be here forever and there will be a day when I will move on as well. It could be a couple weeks, months or years.

However today is not that day, and for those who plan on leaving it shouldn't be yours either.

Filling Null's shoes is going to be hard, but this is where the community must step up and show everyone that the flying zero will prosper and become stronger than ever. Great communities recover from things like this and I believe XForgery has the potential to be a great community. It is only when we doubt ourselves that things go down the shitter and all that we've worked for was for nothing.

I ask those who are considering about leaving to hold that thought and stay around for a while. Instead of leaving, help bring this community back from the recent events and make it stronger. Keep doing the things that Null did but instead split the workload up so that Xforgery is running on all clyndiers instead of 2 huge ones. Xforgery has always been run by the community: We pick the features, we host the events, we run the show. Don't let these recent events doubt the strength of this community or what we've acclompished so far. Instead roll with the punches and make this community even stronger. This is what Null wants and why people are joining this site. Let's not have a good thing end so suddenly.

/motivational speech

Besides ODST is coming out in a couple weeks, I would like to see the flying zeroes mop up some covenant scum in firefight. :D

[Prod]

I think it's stupid for people to leave because Null and AZN have left. This website prides itself on its community right? So therefore, as a community we can accept some people want /need to leave, wish them luck and move on. A community as strong as this one should easily overcome a couple of people leaving. Community.

[Kyyrbes]

I will fill nulls shoes.... Ok not really. Anyways, I have had my fair share of drama here and elsewhere, and though it may be hard at first, there never was any community here if it cant get through things like this. And if, as i believe, there is a community, then after going through things like this, it will be all the stronger because of it. I may not frequent the site as often as i used to during the beginning of the Forgery idea (waaay back in the Bungie group). But, I can definitely say i am proud to see how the 30 or so members that started this whole deal have blossomed into the hundreds that now are part of it.

I am sad to see what happened with Chris and Thomas, as i remember when they were best friends and near inseparable i even remember once having one of them say "I would be gay for you" (not sure which :P). Even though it was not the ideal ending, and i know it was for reasons other than that, Chris leaving is not the end of the world.

If you guys are up to it, getting through stuff like this will make this site and its members all the better.

-Connor

[CostlyAxis]

Please note, I do not intend to criticize either Thomas or Null for their decisions, just the way they carried them out.

I find the problem to be that these events happened so quickly and gave no time to prepare for an impact.

Thomas comes out of the blue to immediately announce a downgrade for the server. Yeah, if you payed attention to the money flow, this was inevitable. However, that didn't apply to the mass community. So, the "shit" hit the fan and no one knew to turn the fan off before it splattered everywhere. You then do have his hope causing statement that we can keep the server for every so many months with many donations. I even thought of donating, but decided not to since I didn't want to use the money.

Null's leaving too has faults in it. You can always make the excuse that "Well, I was going to leave back a few months ago." You never told anyone, and no one was any the wiser. You left without warning, and thus again, no one knew to turn off the fan and prepare for the "shit" to fly. When you yourself are the infrastructure of a community, you cannot just leave without warning and expect the buildings to be remain standing still. Yeah, again, some caught onto this, but the ground is shaking because a support beam went missing without warning.

In the end, Null makes Thomas look like the villain. True, Thomas didn't handle the situation before, but to put all the blame on him just isn't right. We'd have a whole different situation right now if their was a time cushion provided with Null announcing his leaving a week or so before he actually steps down, and Thomas should have handled the money better.

So, both of them have hurt the community at its base. You can say Thomas laid the foundation and Null built the skyscraper, but it turns out Thomas went cheap on the materials and Null decided to put a big crack in it before he stormed off. The building as it is won't stand much longer without help.

For the actual point for the thread, no, XForgery is not dead; it's just on very shaky ground.
I'll see how everyone replies to this...

To Everyone: I am not sure what the big deal is, Null is not leaving XF, he just ins't acting as active admin, which isn't much different then the past month or so. His posts used to go up about a hundred or so a month, lately it has been like around 20, he used to do updates and start a lot of the threads, like features, nominations, ect. and no one noticed that he was slowly less active. Like him and I have said a few times now, he is not leaving skype or XBL and he is not leaving XF. It is just time to change priorities and make other aspects of his life important too.
I'm quite sure that Thomas was the final push. The worst thing a person who works their butt off making stuff to receive is to be criticized for making that stuff. ;)

I think it mostly has to do with Null's farewell thread. He doesn't make mention that he'll be here, just in other places.

I did tell, a lot of people, it was just never announced publicly because it shouldn't have mattered at the time. I, as an individual, wasn't necessarily the backbone of XF back then and Thomas was supposed to take over completely, so there would have been no gaps in how things were run.
This is your warning. Am I gone? No. I'm here, replying and handling things. It's not like I just up and left, leaving everything to chaos. I, at this time, still have administrative powers to wrap everything up before I go, and have been doing so when things arise. Which, personally, nullifies me from all fault that you pinpointed.

The keyword there is "publicly." You might have told four or so people in staff positions, but that's about it. (I'm here almost as much as you and never saw your definite leaving coming) Even though you say that if you left then at the time that you originally claim to be when you first wanted to step down, you didn't. I don't know why that has relevance to your stepping down now. I'm not criticizing you for your choice, I'm just saying that you should have given the public community a better warning. Putting subliminal messages into your writing isn't the same thing.

Even though you didn't technically leave, you clearly made it intentional that everyone would feel bad for you and over exaggerated your leaving in certain details. The problem goes back to my original point, only people who go through the role lists would know you're still technically an administrator at this time. You're not saying anything about the details involving you and XForgery, and people think you're just a retired staff person who won't be around much anymore. You're method is still at fault since you can clearly see the hysteria it produced, and I did clarify that you should have given a week notice before stepping down, not leaving in general.

Members really thought you'd be gone the next day.

I do want to clarify this: I am not against your decision to step down from being an administrator. My issue lies solely with how you announced it.
placing this here until I get my thoughts straight

[l33tmeerkatslol]

I just want to say this, (for now).
Null is gone, and we can still continue. XForgery is not dead, and it won't be dead. When you think about it, it's our decision. Why? Because WE ARE XFORGERY!
We can continue. We can't give up.

[Zackj191]

I think that XF should go o as it was. Just because Null has left doesn't mean we can't continue to prosper in his footsteps. Do we want to end up like the Dark Ages? Do we want to go into a total chaos and shit-storm until someone finally decides to pull their head out and take charge? No! We are XForgery! We will not fall!

[CO x Paladin]

XForgery isn't dead because Null Parameter isn't the leader of XForgery.

Thomas is.

This also advances my plan to becoming ADMINISTRATOR!!!!!!!!!!!! XD:thumbup:

[Tim]

Costly, I will agree that both parties each had their faults in this situation. At the same time we can't assume that situations like this will always be planned out for the community to prepare. By the time we get wind of it, it's already too late and the damage is done. Yes it was poor planning on both parties but what has happened is now in the past and it's time for us as a community to move on.

[FledgelingFenix]

I know for a fact Xforgery isnt going down I think only reason poeple are leaving is because they think XF wont be the same. (wild guess) Anyway Only thing thats keeping me on edge and maybe others is who is going to be Nulls somewhat replacement cause from all the data around XF Thomas(no offense) Doesnt do jack anymore. I wonder who it can be????? Hmm maybe Pyscho Bucket or Denominator??? Oh anyway overall your completely right I think that as a community we should just rebiuld and strengthen back the community. These recent events are terrible but nobody should fall apart THIS IS XF!!!!!
Timothy I really like this speech of yours..

XF Will Rebiuld:thumbup:

[CO x Paladin]

LOL you spelled "Rebuild" wrong.

No offense....

:D

[Nulls Wife]

Costly as much as I agree with your point that the community was hit without warning, I must say again that his leaving is not just because of this fight with THomas. There were many things that played a factor. He did give small hints, some people knew he was thinking it, his blog a month or so ago hinted at it, and little things like that.

Here are some facts:

1.) Null sees Karly less then 2.5 hours a day and there were many times people "needed" him on XF and he had to cut that time even shorter.
2.) Null has 10-15 different skype and msn conversations going thoughout the day, a good 4-5 are people complaining or asking him to do something. (yes he could log off but he always wanted people to get a hold of him if they needed him, and yes he is admin and his job is to help and listen to people, however it wears on you)
3.) There is a reason there was a lot of people posted that they didn't realize how good Null was or something on that line in his moving on thread.
4.) Null has always tried to hid the friction between him and Thomas from the community because he didn't want them to hate Thomas, especailly since he never came on so no one got the chance to form thier own opinions of him.
5.) On of the toughest things null faced was the fact that he was forced to act as the sole admin, since thomas was never on, but every time thomas came back he would bash what Null did and how he was doing things.



To Everyone: I am not sure what the big deal is, Null is not leaving XF, he just ins't acting as active admin, which isn't much different then the past month or so. His posts used to go up about a hundred or so a month, lately it has been like around 20, he used to do updates and start a lot of the threads, like features, nominations, ect. and no one noticed that he was slowly less active. Like him and I have said a few times now, he is not leaving skype or XBL and he is not leaving XF. It is just time to change priorities and make other aspects of his life important too.

[Boston]

Holly, i understand. I guess I saw the signs as well but never put 2 and 2 together. Best of luck with your life Null. You are seriously the man. And yes Holly you are the woman! ;)

[Tim]

To Everyone: I am not sure what the big deal is, Null is not leaving XF, he just ins't acting as active admin, which isn't much different then the past month or so. His posts used to go up about a hundred or so a month, lately it has been like around 20, he used to do updates and start a lot of the threads, like features, nominations, ect. and no one noticed that he was slowly less active. Like him and I have said a few times now, he is not leaving skype or XBL and he is not leaving XF. It is just time to change priorities and make other aspects of his life important too.

Well put Holly.

Like I said in the original post, people come and go all the time. While it isn't a big deal for me, a majority of the members here are around the ages of 15-18. So for these guys, it's a huge deal since a lot of these users looked up to Null. People tend to forget that Null is human and he has a life just like everyone else. His just tends to be more busy.

There was a time however when we were that age too and something like this would be the end of the world. I'm just here to ensure those who question the state of this community or currently have that mindset that XForgery will still be here and it's still going strong.

If you look at history and see the Roman and Egyptian empires, they were not defined by one leader, but many. Of course, these societies lasted for centuries while something like this may last for several years if the community remains active. It's up to us now to keep the gears running.

[Null Parameter]

Null's leaving too has faults in it. You can always make the excuse that "Well, I was going to leave back a few months ago." You never told anyone, and no one was any the wiser. You left without warning, and thus again, no one knew to turn off the fan and prepare for the "shit" to fly. When you yourself are the infrastructure of a community, you cannot just leave without warning and expect the buildings to be remain standing still. Yeah, again, some caught onto this, but the ground is shaking because a support beam went missing without warning.


I did tell, a lot of people, it was just never announced publicly because it shouldn't have mattered at the time. I, as an individual, wasn't necessarily the backbone of XF back then and Thomas was supposed to take over completely, so there would have been no gaps in how things were run.
This is your warning. Am I gone? No. I'm here, replying and handling things. It's not like I just up and left, leaving everything to chaos. I, at this time, still have administrative powers to wrap everything up before I go, and have been doing so when things arise. Which, personally, nullifies me from all fault that you pinpointed.

[mista tipsta]

you [null] never told anyone, and no one was any the wiser. You left without warning
I did tell, a lot of people, it was just never announced publicly because it shouldn't have mattered at the time.

i remember over-hearing null saying something about leaving his adim position.

[Time Glitch]

...Well...

Shows I've been living under a rock O_O

Didn't even know Null had stepped down...

But, it's not the end of the world. Anyone who's reasonable knows that. Changes of power happen all the time and this is no different: Someone on the internet grew up. That time will hit us all someday, so let's hold on to these days we have and spend them being an excellent community rather than a broken one.

I just have one thing to say:



So long Null, and thank's for all the fish.




(I know you're not leaving, I just wanted so badly to use that line =P)

[Null Parameter]

Nominated for worst way to reply to a post.........
Seriously? Editing a post a page backwards?

The keyword there is "publicly." You might have told four or so people in staff positions, but that's about it. (I'm here almost as much as you and never saw your definite leaving coming) Even though you say that if you left then at the time that you originally claim to be when you first wanted to step down, you didn't. I don't know why that has relevance to your stepping down now. I'm not criticizing you for your choice, I'm just saying that you should have given the public community a better warning. Putting subliminal messages into your writing isn't the same thing.

Even though you didn't technically leave, you clearly made it intentional that everyone would feel bad for you and over exaggerated your leaving in certain details. The problem goes back to my original point, only people who go through the role lists would know you're still technically an administrator at this time. You're not saying anything about the details involving you and XForgery, and people think you're just a retired staff person who won't be around much anymore. You're method is still at fault since you can clearly see the hysteria it produced, and I did clarify that you should have given a week notice before stepping down, not leaving in general.

Members really thought you'd be gone the next day.

I do want to clarify this: I am not against your decision to step down from being an administrator. My issue lies solely with how you announced it.

You make it sound like I'm begging for sympathy here. I didn't intentionally do anything to make people feel bad for me, I'm just telling it how it is, my reasons and such for leaving. I really don't care what people think as long as they accept my decision. And no matter what I say, there are going to be people that think I'm leaving for this reason or that reason.

And really, it's shit like this that is part of my reason for leaving. I can't stand the constant drama that people work up in their heads and propagate to the masses.

Even if I did leave without warning, it shouldn't really matter, shit happens. I could have just as easily faded away into the background and nobody really would have been the wiser, which is what I have been doing lately anyway. Anybody notice that I've done literally nothing for XF for the past 2-3 months? I haven't done any Updates, no new additions, bug fixes, replying to Suggestions, Features, etc. I've done nothing.

The difference between that and this? An announcement and a color.