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Null Parameter
05-21-2009, 10:15 AM
Almost a month ago now, the Red Faction: Guerrilla (RFG) Demo (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/offers/0ddf0001-0000-4000-8000-000054518845?cid=SLink) was released.

It gave you 10 minutes of constant death and destruction, which of course wasn't enough. I probably ended up playing the demo a good 30 times, trying to do something different each time, and oh man, the possibilities are endless.

Again, due to the 10 minute demo limit, it just left you wanting and never quite satisfied.


But now there is a solution to our problems!
They just released the RFG Multiplayer Demo (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/offers/0ddf0001-0000-4000-8000-00005451884e?cid=SLink)!

I hope to see you guys out on the battlefield for some desolation and deconstruction!

Hopefully, this will hold us off until the June 2nd Release....

Time Glitch
05-21-2009, 10:39 AM
!

Demo?!?

Holy crap, I feel like I'm lightyears behind on gaming stuff...Curse you real life! I'll be giving this one a download and a playthrough when I get the chance. This game was something that I was practically giddy about at E3 last year, and I hope that it's as good as it looked!

Null Parameter
05-21-2009, 10:44 AM
I hope that it's as good as it looked!
You can take down an entire building with just your hammer.

Time Glitch
05-21-2009, 10:45 AM
You can take down an entire building with just your hammer.

...

Do I get to smash through the walls with it and cause much rubble?

Null Parameter
05-21-2009, 10:50 AM
Do I get to smash through the walls with it and cause much rubble?
Very much so.

Not to mention the explosive charges that you can throw on anything to make a big BOOM! It takes a little bit of practice, but I like to throw them on the enemy's faces and watch them run around, freaking out and screaming "Oh My God! Get if off!".

Time Glitch
05-21-2009, 10:54 AM
Oh my.






I will consume this when I have the time. I have lots of studying to do tonight for a very important final, but Friday, I will be all over that...

Piles of rubble shal be all that lie in my wake.

Boston
05-21-2009, 02:09 PM
I was interested in this game a month or so back, but never really looked into since. Now that the demos are avaliable, I will be downloading them! Thanks for reminding me! Lol

Time Glitch
05-22-2009, 10:41 AM
I was interested in this game a month or so back, but never really looked into since. Now that the demos are avaliable, I will be downloading them! Thanks for reminding me! Lol

Yeah I almost forgot about it entirely. E3 was a long time ago...

(New E3 in like...2 weeks...=D)

Silver0range
05-22-2009, 01:49 PM
June 2nd? That's pretty close. This should be an interesting game - I'm really liking the latest shooters that are coming out.

MNM1245
05-22-2009, 01:50 PM
OMG yay :D I'll be on this tonight fo rizzle(Yes Letol fo rizzle)

DeathDriver86
05-22-2009, 10:31 PM
You guys should totally help GameStop employees like myself and reserve the game. The demo is amazing and really whets the appetite. The hammer is really all you need at it pretty much ruins anything or anyone in your immediate range.

Null Parameter
05-22-2009, 10:34 PM
You guys should totally help GameStop employees like myself and reserve the game.
Do you get paid for reservations/sales?

DeathDriver86
05-22-2009, 10:36 PM
We get daily percentages and weekly numbers for Reservations and Game Informer Subscriptions. When we get them, they go up. For every transaction we fail to get either of them in, our numbers go down. If we get poor numbers too often and show no improvement, then we get fired.

Just one of many things about GS you didn't know.

Null Parameter
05-22-2009, 10:43 PM
We get daily percentages and weekly numbers for Reservations and Game Informer Subscriptions. When we get them, they go up. For every transaction we fail to get either of them in, our numbers go down. If we get poor numbers too often and show no improvement, then we get fired.

Just one of many things about GS you didn't know.
Damn, that sucks. Maybe I can use this information to make Holly let me reserve more games. :)

So, lets say I reserve a game. A month later I go to pick it up. If I don't reserve a game during that second transaction, does that still count against you, even though it was basically just a follow up to the first?

DeathDriver86
05-22-2009, 10:54 PM
It counts against us if you don't reserve something new coming out. It's called 'Roll-Over' and is hard to get. Especially if nothing decent is coming out.

The worst thing to do is Cancel a reserve. Granted it is your money and needs come before games, that much is understood. But it KILLS our numbers BIG time.

This is one thing I hate about my job, that and the fact everything the company talks about is all the ways we can lose our jobs and how we aren't doing a good enough job and we need to do better. Awesome.

Silver0range
05-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Does anyone want to get some games in on this?

I'm really enjoying everything about the game except the arc wielder - it seems like the needler for Halo 3, and it doesn't really interest me.

Another thing about the game I like is that you can get almost anywhere with the jetpack, but sightlines are restricted anyways - at least on that Warlords map.

Null Parameter
05-23-2009, 11:43 AM
I like the idea of the Jetpack, and it does come in handy, but it seems to outweigh most of the other backpacks. I can' stand the people that fly to the highest point in the level with a rail gun and just snipe.

I didn't like the Arc Welder for a while either, but once you get used to using it, it is interesting. It's cool how it can attack more than one person at once.

WoozyJoJo
05-23-2009, 03:34 PM
Yesss.. getting this game for sure. I've been waiting for a game with realistic destruction for forever. Can't wait for June.

DeathDriver86
05-23-2009, 04:58 PM
I will be picking this up when it comes out. Also contemplating Bionic Commando. The multiplayer was kinda fun!

Null Parameter
05-23-2009, 09:01 PM
RFG Multiplayer FTW! I have been having a blast!

Sadly, you can't work for very many upgrades, and once you quit the game you lose all of your progress. :(

Time Glitch
05-25-2009, 02:31 AM
RFG Multiplayer FTW! I have been having a blast!

Sadly, you can't work for very many upgrades, and once you quit the game you lose all of your progress. :(

Yeah I've become a bit of an addict...

I honestly hope that this game doesnt pull a "Halo 3: Beta". I'm going to wait for the reviews before I buy it, but I have a feeling this is going to be the thing I play for the next while...

It is SO MUCH FUN.

I love my fishy symbol ^_^

Null Parameter
05-25-2009, 02:38 AM
Yeah, I was sad that I couldn't come play with you guys. :(

But I figured I should host a little bit of WoW, while it was still the weekend.

Time Glitch
05-25-2009, 02:41 AM
Yeah, I was sad that I couldn't come play with you guys. :(

But I figured I should host a little bit of WoW, while it was still the weekend.

's all good.

My friends and I will probably be on tomorrow a bit as well.

MNM1245
05-25-2009, 06:41 AM
This is so fun :D

The Sledgehammer is the best! I like to just sit near this one building on this map I played and just take the whole building down using my Sledge! I'm so destructive. I can't wait for this to come out. And with 21 Maps shipping that is pretty good. I hope they have a Custom Game sort of thing so you can play on your favourite maps.

Null Parameter
05-25-2009, 09:30 AM
This is so fun :D

The Sledgehammer is the best! I like to just sit near this one building on this map I played and just take the whole building down using my Sledge! I'm so destructive. I can't wait for this to come out. And with 21 Maps shipping that is pretty good. I hope they have a Custom Game sort of thing so you can play on your favourite maps.
I prefer to throw Explosives throughout the entire building, blow them all up, watch the building fall on some poor soul, use the Reconstructor to rebuild the building, rinse and repeat.

DeathDriver, I think the next time I go to work (tomorrow :(), I'll definitely reserve this! I'm going to make sure to reserve as close to as many games as I buy now.

Time Glitch
05-25-2009, 12:01 PM
I prefer to throw Explosives throughout the entire building, blow them all up, watch the building fall on some poor soul, use the Reconstructor to rebuild the building, rinse and repeat.

DeathDriver, I think the next time I go to work (tomorrow :(), I'll definitely reserve this! I'm going to make sure to reserve as close to as many games as I buy now.

Speaking of stickys...

I love to take those explosive charges, find myself a cloaking pack, sneak up on an unsuspecting sniper, throw one on his back, re-cloak, and just follow him around for a while. When he thinks he's about to accomplish something...BOOM.

It truly is amazing.

If he notices, however, it's immediate boom. But sometimes that doesnt happen =).

Null Parameter
05-25-2009, 12:11 PM
Speaking of stickys...

I love to take those explosive charges, find myself a cloaking pack, sneak up on an unsuspecting sniper, throw one on his back, re-cloak, and just follow him around for a while. When he thinks he's about to accomplish something...BOOM.

It truly is amazing.

If he notices, however, it's immediate boom. But sometimes that doesnt happen =).
Yes, the Explosives work well with almost any backpack.

Jetpack = Rain down Hell from the skies.
Concussion = Stun somebody and then stick them when they're lying on the ground.
etc...

Time Glitch
05-25-2009, 12:14 PM
Yes, the Explosives work well with almost any backpack.

Jetpack = Rain down Hell from the skies.
Concussion = Stun somebody and then stick them when they're lying on the ground.
etc...

I've found that the Rhino pack is by far the most effective backpack, though. It can act as a singular Concussion pack, you can easily traverse any wall, and it helps fend off those annoying "Grab Fleetfoot, go on a hammer spree" people.

The problem is jetpackers...Grrr.

I just love ramming somebody head on, then fill their face full of lead while they're attempting to get up. It makes me feel powerful.

Agent Quack
05-25-2009, 12:17 PM
i played it a while ago. i actually thought it was very boring.

Time Glitch
05-25-2009, 12:18 PM
i played it a while ago. i actually thought it was very boring.

!

Elaborate.

Agent Quack
05-25-2009, 12:21 PM
i mean, all you did on the demo was run around with a hammer hitting people, and occasionally you picked up a gun and killed a few guys before your ammo ran out. i just dont really like it to the old ones.

Time Glitch
05-25-2009, 12:26 PM
i mean, all you did on the demo was run around with a hammer hitting people, and occasionally you picked up a gun and killed a few guys before your ammo ran out. i just dont really like it to the old ones.

Did you play the single player or multiplayer demo?

Silver0range
05-25-2009, 04:40 PM
I'm pretty sure he means the multiplayer demo. Anyhow, I finally got a chance to play this with some friends, and it was epic. Though a little unbalanced, because once you have an organized team the enemies just fall before you. Two defenders with jetpacks, 3 attackers/whatevermen with rhino/stealth/concussion = epic win. I really enjoy the backpacks as well, they're like Halo 3 equipment done right.

Has anyone found a laser-type weapon on Radial? I've seen this red colored explosive thing but I can't seem to find it. Sniper camping on top of those rock pillars is pretty fun as well =).

Bottom line, the best part about this game is the infinite amount of strategies you can use while playing, and they're all individually fun.

Null Parameter
05-25-2009, 06:59 PM
Reserved!

And I don't mean that I'm reserving the post; I just got back from reserving the game! Hope to see you all on the Full Version on June 2nd!



Has anyone found a laser-type weapon on Radial?You mean the Rail gun?

Boston
05-25-2009, 08:55 PM
Still have not played this yet, BUT, it sounds really fun. I will download it sometime in the next week so I will let you guys know what I think then.

Time Glitch
05-26-2009, 10:37 AM
Still have not played this yet, BUT, it sounds really fun. I will download it sometime in the next week so I will let you guys know what I think then.

Just nab the multiplayer demo. The single player isn't really worth it, and you'll get more enjoyment out of multiplayer ^_^.

Let me know when you get it, I'm always up for a few matches.

Null Parameter
05-26-2009, 10:40 AM
Just nab the multiplayer demo. The single player isn't really worth it, and you'll get more enjoyment out of multiplayer ^_^.

Let me know when you get it, I'm always up for a few matches.
I liked the Single Player Demo, but it really is anti-climactic if you don't rush through it.

Time Glitch
05-26-2009, 10:44 AM
I liked the Single Player Demo, but it really is anti-climactic if you don't rush through it.

I will admit that the giant walker was really fun. That's all I did after a while. Nab a jeep, run past everything, then just pretend I was Destructoid: Destroyer of Unhappiness for about 10 minutes...

ZLG Overlord
05-27-2009, 03:58 PM
Dude, I didn't realize there was any demos at all! Wow. I need to go download them. ALso, I think this game will be epic. I wish I had preordered it now.

Pel
05-28-2009, 11:13 PM
Can't... wait... until... June... 2nd!

Nulls Wife
05-28-2009, 11:20 PM
This is going to be the next game that Null and I have to have "conversations" about isn't it???

Null Parameter
05-28-2009, 11:27 PM
This is going to be the next game that Null and I have to have "conversations" about isn't it???
What's that supposed to mean? :confused:

Nulls Wife
05-28-2009, 11:31 PM
What's that supposed to mean? :confused:

You are going to play this game non-stop. At least the weekend it comes out I will be in WI for a couple days! It is the Park Art Fair!!

Null Parameter
05-28-2009, 11:38 PM
You are going to play this game non-stop. At least the weekend it comes out I will be in WI for a couple days! It is the Park Art Fair!!
YEY! Time for all of my XF Buddies and a whole lot of WoW!

Nulls Wife
05-29-2009, 12:35 AM
YEY! Time for all of my XF Buddies and a whole lot of WoW!

Super glad to hear that you will be missing me...oh well you have the dog to keep you company. He just isn't as warm at night ;P

DeathDriver86
05-29-2009, 09:55 AM
Reserved!

:thumbup:

We have them in the back room. It looks real good and was flipping thru the strategy guide to see what there is to do, and there's a lot of missions. More down the lines of 400+.

Null Parameter
05-29-2009, 10:02 AM
:thumbup:

We have them in the back room. It looks real good and was flipping thru the strategy guide to see what there is to do, and there's a lot of missions. More down the lines of 400+.
Holy shit! And you already have them in stock?!?!?
My GameStop usually doesn't ever get them until the day after they are scheduled to be in on the GameStop website.

They always say, "That is the shipping date, we don't get them until the next day", and I respond, "That is the stupidest scheduling I've ever heard of. Why would you tell the customer the day you were going to ship them to the stores, and not when they'd be available?"

DeathDriver86
05-29-2009, 11:03 AM
We always tell our customers to add one day to the left date. If on the list you see a date with 'SD' next to it, that means street date, and you can expect it then. Red Faction is SD 6/2/09, so it's almost here!

Null Parameter
05-29-2009, 11:09 AM
We always tell our customers to add one day to the left date. If on the list you see a date with 'SD' next to it, that means street date, and you can expect it then. Red Faction is SD 6/2/09, so it's almost here!
Well the worst part is that I started calling them to ask, or just asking them behind the counter, but they tell me the same date that's on the website.

And one time I even got an auto-call about my reservation being able to be picked up and then they didn't get it until the following day.

DeathDriver86
05-29-2009, 11:10 AM
Well the worst part is that I started calling them to ask, or just asking them behind the counter, but they tell me the same date that's on the website.

And one time I even got an auto-call about my reservation being able to be picked up and then they didn't get it until the following day.
Yeah Our Auto-Call system is bogus and works sometimes. I just give them a random number each time.

Trio Enzyme
06-01-2009, 02:18 AM
You know on Warlords there is a big hill with a building that if you blow it up right it slides down the hill. Well I was up there minding my own business when a guy runs up to me with a concussion backpack and sends me flying off the hill but I attached a remote charge to him at the same time. Big Boom. It was a true 'THIS IS SPARTA' moment.

Null Parameter
06-01-2009, 02:20 AM
You know on Warlords there is a big hill with a building that if you blow it up right it slides down the hill. Well I was up there minding my own business when a guy runs up to me with a concussion backpack and sends me flying off the hill but I attached a remote charge to him at the same time. Big Boom. It was a true 'THIS IS SPARTA' moment.
Gotta love this game just for stuff like this. The game comes out tomorrow!

DeathDriver86
06-01-2009, 08:44 AM
I get to work the launch too. I will be getting Prototype over this however, at least for now.

We should get a group together for Red Faction and just mess shit up.

Null Parameter
06-01-2009, 09:13 AM
I get to work the launch too. I will be getting Prototype over this however, at least for now.

We should get a group together for Red Faction and just mess shit up.
Oh, I think we'll have quite the crew starting tomorrow. I'm going to be picking it up after work and probably not going to bed. ;)

Maybe we should get a big crew together tonight to play one last time through the demo before everybody abandons it.

Time Glitch
06-01-2009, 10:27 AM
*Sadface*

I don't have the money right now to get this day of release. I might be able to pick it up in like a week, but for right now you'll have to maim and destroy without me =).

On the upside...ONE MORE WEEK OF MANDATORY SCHOOL! WOO!

Null Parameter
06-01-2009, 10:28 AM
*Sadface*

I don't have the money right now to get this day of release. I might be able to pick it up in like a week, but for right now you'll have to maim and destroy without me =).

On the upside...ONE MORE WEEK OF MANDATORY SCHOOL! WOO!
Sad face and yet Happy Face.

Like I said, mass game on the demo tonight?!

Time Glitch
06-01-2009, 10:34 AM
Sad face and yet Happy Face.

Like I said, mass game on the demo tonight?!

I'll try to be there.

I have some important finals I gotta study for, so I might only be able to be on for a bit. We'll see =)

MovingTarget602
06-01-2009, 11:49 AM
I'm really happy about this game release tomorrow, it happens to be my birthday. Tis an awesome b-day present!

Letol
06-01-2009, 03:17 PM
I couldn't get the demo because apparently I'm using a childs accounts, even though nothing is restricted (I checked parental settings even), and so I tried to download it from my Silver Account as usual. Then, I remembered that Microsoft decided that Silver members couldn't get stuff as early as Gold members, so I don't even know what the game is like lol. Sounds pretty good though, I guess I'll check it out whenever Microsoft decides to stop being evil.

Null Parameter
06-01-2009, 09:39 PM
So, anybody up for a little bit of RFG?!

Defiance
06-01-2009, 09:44 PM
I couldn't get the demo because apparently I'm using a childs accounts, even though nothing is restricted (I checked parental settings even), and so I tried to download it from my Silver Account as usual. Then, I remembered that Microsoft decided that Silver members couldn't get stuff as early as Gold members, so I don't even know what the game is like lol. Sounds pretty good though, I guess I'll check it out whenever Microsoft decides to stop being evil.

Ironically I got this game through using a silver account.

Dow
06-01-2009, 10:55 PM
Im sorry, but based on the commercial, the graphics on that game looked horrible. It seems like they went back a generation.

Null Parameter
06-01-2009, 11:06 PM
Im sorry, but based on the commercial, the graphics on that game looked horrible. It seems like they went back a generation.
I didn't think they were that bad, especially considering all of the additional features you are getting in their place. Graphics aren't everything. It's amazing how much fun you can have if the gameplay is good, even if the graphics blow.

Dow
06-01-2009, 11:20 PM
I didn't think they were that bad, especially considering all of the additional features you are getting in their place. Graphics aren't everything. It's amazing how much fun you can have if the gameplay is good, even if the graphics blow.

I can somewhat agree with you there. Gears of War has amazing graphics, but I hate it with a passion. I guess i can't knock it till i try it. It still seems that they could have atleast done a little better

Time Glitch
06-02-2009, 10:28 AM
Well I guess the game comes out today =)

All you lucky little punks that pre-ordered it and have it today need to inform me of how amazingly orgasmtastic it is.

Null Parameter
06-02-2009, 10:30 AM
I'll tell you after work. :D

Nulls Wife
06-02-2009, 11:07 AM
It's amazing how much fun you can have if the gameplay is good, even if the graphics blow.

So true...my favorite game of all time is Mario on the original Gameboy. :( I am so sad I lost it.

Null Parameter
06-02-2009, 08:43 PM
I got it! Who else did!


And did anybody else reserve it from Gamestop and get the booklet with a code to unlock additional maps?

Null Parameter
06-03-2009, 02:44 PM
Since nobody else has responded on this yet, I'm going to give my initial impressions.

First off, it's an amazing game, no doubt about it. And that is saying something, because I usually despise 3rd person games.

The story has an innocent man thrust into a world of destruction and rebellion.
Nothing to pull you in extensively (yet), but definitely not horrible.

The world is massive. The first section goes by very quickly, because it is really just an intro zone. (<3 the name of it though) But once you make it to the next area, Dust, everything changes. It is huge, with missions all over the place. And while only a handful of them are required, I find myself completing every mission available and seeking out every enemy building to destroy.

Now comes to the best part..... combat.
Weapons and destruction are better than in the demo, because there are more options, upgrades and places to use them.

Right now I can carry 30 Explosives at once, and place 7 at a time. It's insane.

Of course, you can take the less explosive (AKA more boring) approach and use normal guns, but there aren't really many upgrades for those.

I could go on forever about missions, side-quests, tactics, etc., but I'll leave that for a later time.


The one problem I have with the game is that of death. And it isn't even really a problem, just an odd way of handling it. If you die, you can choose to do one of two things; Reload your last save or Continue. If you continue, you restart in the nearest safe house, still with all of the scrap/money you gathered, all the destruction you caused remains destroyed, and the only thing you lose is morale; which personally doesn't do much anyway.

Morale is a gauge that dictates how likely regular civilians are to join your cause against the enemy. When morale is high, more people join. Okay, I died and lost 10 morale points. So what? I can go kill a few soldiers and gain it all back.

Thankfully, I actually like this system, because I tend to only use close range explosives and therefore die a lot. Surprisingly, buildings hurt when they fall on top of you. ;) So, I just take the morale hit and go at it again.


Anybody else get a chance to play this yet? Thoughts?

Tip:
Stick a Propane Tank with an explosive, and then throw the propane tank to make a remote detonated grenade!

Diab1o B1anco
06-03-2009, 03:37 PM
1.stick your car 2.drive off a jump 3.get out 4.detonate 5.end

WoozyJoJo
06-03-2009, 06:33 PM
I got this game also, I must say, it's one of the most solid games I've ever played.
Wrecking Crew is a blast (I recommend using the singularity bombs) and online is even better. Haven't gotten to far in SP yet but this weekend I imagine it's all I'll be playing.

Null Parameter
06-03-2009, 07:04 PM
I got this game also, I must say, it's one of the most solid games I've ever played.
Wrecking Crew is a blast (I recommend using the singularity bombs) and online is even better. Haven't gotten to far in SP yet but this weekend I imagine it's all I'll be playing.
Since I got the game, I haven't even touched MP. I really want to look at Wrecking Crew.

Silver0range
06-03-2009, 08:04 PM
I'm really interested in how they're doing multiplayer maps. It doesn't seem like they made the maps to suit more than one or two gametypes (Radial, for example, seems to be just good for damage control).

Also, just how expansive is the singleplayer? From the demo, it just looks... well, rediculously huge.

Edit: I was looking at some youtube videos and found this.

Tutorial:

1. From the main menu go to OPTIONS, then to EXTRAS, and then finally to ENTER CODE.

2. To unlock the 4 additional Wrecking Crew maps, type in "MAPMAYHEM".

3. To unlock the Gold Breaker weapon for use in Campaign, type in "HARDHITTER".

WoozyJoJo
06-03-2009, 08:30 PM
Also, just how expansive is the singleplayer? From the demo, it just looks... well, rediculously huge.

From my experiences so far, it's the map is huge. However, the first two sectors have been lamely easy to liberate. I'm hoping the others are harder, but eh.

Null, if you wanna play online just send me a message, it's a lot of fun.

Null Parameter
06-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Edit: I was looking at some youtube videos and found this.
Yep, I got one of those codes and asked if anybody else had, but nobody responded. :(


And as far as how big the Campaign is.......... GIGANTIC!

Null Parameter
06-03-2009, 11:07 PM
Dear God! I just found my new favorite weapon.

Anybody else fine the "Gutter" yet?

MovingTarget602
06-03-2009, 11:22 PM
I have not been able to put this game down yet. Everytime I come home I can look forward to my shiny Xbox and my RFG. I just beat Dust Sector tonight, took forever because I did every little mission and destroyed as much as I could find. I also was very happy with the multiplayer. Siege is my favorite gametype. I have not done much in the MP though. I just got a few easy achievements in the MP then I went to SP. Man, I love that game. Easiest achievement ever, "Grab Some Popcorn," all you have to do it go into spectator mode and watch a match. I just went in to spectator and turned it to cable television. Anyways, if you are debating to get the game, ask yourself this. Do you like destruction? Do you like explosives and guns? If you answered yes to both of them, you should at least rent the game and give it a whirl.

Tonifro
07-08-2009, 02:38 PM
Anyone here still playing this game much? I got it last week and am really digging the multiplayer. It'd be nice to play some games with teammates that don't suck hardcore.

Shell
07-08-2009, 03:22 PM
Anyone here still playing this game much? I got it last week and am really digging the multiplayer. It'd be nice to play some games with teammates that don't suck hardcore.

I still play it sometimes. My GT is ShellShockNinja, if your too lazy to look to your left. Hit me up when I'm online and I'll play with ya.

Boston
07-08-2009, 04:55 PM
This game is so fun! MP is sick, and it is so satisfying to actually use your surroundings as a tool of destruction. There have been a few times already that I use the Stealth backpack and plant charges on corners of buildings, and blow it up when someone walks in. Sometimes they get crushed by the debris, but sometimes they just explode! It is so fun haha although I haven't done much campaign, MP seems very solid!