August Forgery Challenge Discussion.

[Thomas]

During the last challenge, we noticed something; you had questions and we had answers. This thread was created for you all to ask those questions and keep the submissions thread for what it was designed for, submissions.

[DeathsFriend22]

what exactly is "Aesthetics"? lol I know stupid question but i never figured it out.

[Kenny M]

It means like the looks of the map

[DeathsFriend22]

thought so :)

[Gravedigger5454]

Will the winners ever be announced to this one, or do you just kinda put something up to say you complete the challenge? I didn't notice any winners or prize or anything with previous challenges.

[Null Parameter]

Will the winners ever be announced to this one, or do you just kinda put something up to say you complete the challenge? I didn't notice any winners or prize or anything with previous challenges.
The previous challenges from the old site were not completed due to a lack of organization, which is completely our fault. There has only been one challenge since the migration to the new site, and as stated in the update, the winners to that will be announced by the end of the month. The winners of this challenge will, in turn, hopefully be announced around the end of August.

And as a clarification to the description, please do post the maps you are submitting as soon as you see fit. There is no need to keep them off of the forums.

[Uc Gollum]

Can we post the same map, but tweaked?

For example, I'm in the process of completing Terrain (canvas). I will then create Altitude (name could change), which will be competitive. Off of the Terrain canvas, I will also create Syzygy, an infection map.

This would cover Aesthetic, Foundry, & Infection.

[Null Parameter]

Can we post the same map, but tweaked?

For example, I'm in the process of completing Terrain (canvas). I will then create Altitude (name could change), which will be competitive. Off of the Terrain canvas, I will also create Syzygy, an infection map.

This would cover Aesthetic, Foundry, & Infection.

Yes, that would be fine. If you are using one as a canvas for the other, there shouldn't be a problem there, especially since you are using one for Aesthetic. For everyone else, that doesn't mean that you can add some more weapons and/or crates and call it a new map. There must be a significant difference. If you have any doubts, just ask about it.

[Ganye]

Lol ganye you have "map name" for the URL of Doom Tunnel.
And it's a damn good thing that i didn't submit my Infection map yet like I was going to :)
:thumbup:
Legendary: Map Name (map url) Foundry: Map Name (map url) Non-Foundry: Map Name (map url) Re-makes: Map Name (map url) Infection: Map Name (map url) Mini-Games: Map Name (map url) Aesthetic: Map Name (map url) Cold Storage: Map Name (map url)

I'll add links/pick the rest of my maps on Saturday.
I'm out of town until Saturday... I can't upload my maps until then.

[green 2]

Hi. I'm new to the site and would very much like to participate in the challenge, but i don't understand a few things about it.

By Legendary- do you mean a map from the Legendary map pack?

By re-make- do you mean making a map from halo CE or H2?

Lastly Mini-game?

If anyone can clear this up for me i would be very thankful.

[Ganye]

Hi. I'm new to the site and would very much like to participate in the challenge, but i don't understand a few things about it.

By Legendary- do you mean a map from the Legendary map pack?

By re-make- do you mean making a map from halo CE or H2?

Lastly Mini-game?

If anyone can clear this up for me i would be very thankful.

A Legendary Map is, as you said, a map on the Legendary Map Pack.

A Re-Make is remaking ANY level that isn't a Forged map. So it could be from Halo, Halo 2, Call of Duty 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, etc. For example, I was going to do Epicenter from Team Fortress: Classic.

A Mini-game is just a map that isn't played like regular maps: For example, the whole Fat Kid gametype and maps, Hobo Heights, Jengatower, Boom Tunnel, etc. Mini-games have custom Gametypes the majority of the time.

[Uc Gollum]

Do jumping maps count as mini games?

[Thomas]

Do jumping maps count as mini games?
Yes.

The mini-game category is basically the place where you can mess around but still have a scoring system. Jumping maps, racetracks, mazes, puzzles, etc... fall into this category.

[DeathsFriend22]

wait would a game in which players must breach a wall and infiltrate a castle in order to kill the king (or in this case the VIP) be considered a minigame? i hope so :/

[ACloggingtons]

:thumbup:Wow, this challenge is gonna be great, i can't wait to enter some of my maps, but that will have to wait until after my trip.

[Thomas]

wait would a game in which players must breach a wall and infiltrate a castle in order to kill the king (or in this case the VIP) be considered a minigame? i hope so :/
Depends how you do this, from the simple description that you gave it could turn out to be a one-sided VIP game, instead of a mini-game.

[green 2]

A Legendary Map is, as you said, a map on the Legendary Map Pack.

A Re-Make is remaking ANY level that isn't a Forged map. So it could be from Halo, Halo 2, Call of Duty 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, etc. For example, I was going to do Epicenter from Team Fortress: Classic.

A Mini-game is just a map that isn't played like regular maps: For example, the whole Fat Kid gametype and maps, Hobo Heights, Jengatower, Boom Tunnel, etc. Mini-games have custom Gametypes the majority of the time.

thanks for clearing it up. I plan to submit some really good maps.

[TheGrimPeeper28]

thanks for clearing it up. I plan to submit some really good maps.Great!! Can't wait to see them, and Welcome to H3F!!!

[Null Parameter]

I've posted an update to the rules (http://www.halo3forgery.org/forum/showthread.php?t=231) involving submitting maps created by several people. If you have any more questions regarding this, please ask them here.

[Denominator]

Perhaps this isn't a question a master reviewer should be asking, but since I've been missing for the last 2 months and don't really know the rules of this site...

When I submit a map to the challenge, do I also post it in the maps section as a new map?

[CostlyAxis]

Perhaps this isn't a question a master reviewer should be asking, but since I've been missing for the last 2 months and don't really know the rules of this site...

When I submit a map to the challenge, do I also post it in the maps section as a new map?
I believe so. At least that's what was required in the last challenge.

[Null Parameter]

I believe so. At least that's what was required in the last challenge.

Yep, that is correct.

[Gravedigger5454]

What are the prizes? Are there any prizes? If you don't really see any reason to make an aesthetic map, and therefore your aesthetic submission sucks, can you still win? How does the judging work with that? Average score out of 10 for how good all your maps are I guess?

[Ganye]

What are the prizes? Are there any prizes? If you don't really see any reason to make an aesthetic map, and therefore your aesthetic submission sucks, can you still win? How does the judging work with that? Average score out of 10 for how good all your maps are I guess?
Read this. (http://halo3forgery.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2320#post2320)

[xInfamous2x]

Hello, i was wondering if we all could get a time extension... therefore the challenge would be changed to the "end of summer extravaganza!" or something like that...

this is because i feel with more time, better maps will emerge. i also know that many of us are struggling to make the end of the month... especially with school coming up.

a map takes more then just making.. i usually spend a good month playtesting.

anyways, i will proabably not be entering my maps by the end of this month, and i know alot of you wont either... which would default the winner to those whose maps were done quickly rather then correctly...

In order to make this challenge worthwhile and better to the community i strongly reccomend another month for the challenge.

[Ganye]

Infamous, because of a problem caused by an extension last challenge, there won't be any extensions. The challenges are also meant to be monthly and the winners released with a monthly update.

[Thomas]

Infamous, because of a problem caused by an extension last challenge, there won't be any extensions. The challenges are also meant to be monthly and the winners released with a monthly update.
True, but that doesn't mean that we can't have this challenge come back with a longer time to complete the maps...

I think I said that this one should be longer period of time and to have little ones run in the background but some people didn't agree... :thumbdown:

[xInfamous2x]

i agree lol...

ganye please explain to me what the problems were? if we make this clear to the whole community... there should not be a problem.. in fact less problems as more people will be able to post there maps accordingly.

[Ganye]

There was a controversy dealing with certain people getting extensions. It caused a lot of problems.

[PsychoBucket]

Ok a few questions.

1) Each category is worth 10 points. Is there a certain criteria that each type is being graded on?

2) For remakes should it be as close to an exact remake as possible, or can you make it so it is still recognizable but a little different?

[Thomas]

Ok a few questions.

1) Each category is worth 10 points. Is there a certain criteria that each type is being graded on?

2) For remakes should it be as close to an exact remake as possible, or can you make it so it is still recognizable but a little different?
1)Not really, the criteria that each map's final grade can be seen on the thread you submitted in the little box saying "H3F Official Review".

2)Yes. Re-makes are graded on playability and recognition.

[PsychoBucket]

So what exactly is an Aesthetic map? The description said a map made to look good. Does that mean a map that has normal gameplay, but also looks good? Or is it a map that that you just made something that looks good, and you don't really play on it?

Hmm I had another question, but I don't remember!


One more thing, do you really think Cold Storage "deserves some lovin'"? You can't make anything on Cold Storage that you can't make better on another map. I don't mind it for a competition because it is more challenging, but it deserves no lovin! lol

[Thomas]

So what exactly is an Aesthetic map? The description said a map made to look good. Does that mean a map that has normal gameplay, but also looks good? Or is it a map that that you just made something that looks good, and you don't really play on it?

Hmm I had another question, but I don't remember!


One more thing, do you really think Cold Storage "deserves some lovin'"? You can't make anything on Cold Storage that you can't make better on another map. I don't mind it for a competition because it is more challenging, but it deserves no lovin! lol
Aesthetic maps are built to look good rather then play good, it's not graded on gameplay unless it's superb both aesthetically and gameplay. Basically, some forge hub featured maps would be moved to Aesthetics because some of the gameplay values wouldn't be hot, but it's forged nice and clean enough to get a 10 in Aesthetics.

We wanted you all to forge on Cold Storage for just that reason, it was a challenge to work with the limited resources and space. It will bring a lot of creativity point to the plate if you can pull something off on the map, but to get these points you'd have to work hard to make it unique.

[PsychoBucket]

Can you be more specific on the deadline. I remember back in forgery.5 one of the competitions ended at a time that I did not expect, so I missed it. Is it due by the 31st(11:59:59 PM on the 30th), do you have all of the 31st (11:59:59 on the 31st), or does it end a random time in the middle of the day?
Also what is the timezone for the deadline?

[Null Parameter]

As long as they are in by the time I wake up on September 1st, which is when I will close down the thread. So, probably around 9AM Central on the 1st. Which gives you almost a whole extra half of a day beyond what I said before.

[PsychoBucket]

Ok thanks!

I have another question. This might actually be my last one! lol

You can only submit a map once. If it fits into more than one category, then it is your choice to put it where you feel it fits best (or place it in a category so that another map you made can take it's place in a different one).

What if I have two mini-game maps and I am planning on using one as the foundry map, should I post both in the mini-game section or put one in the foundry section?

[Null Parameter]

What if I have two mini-game maps and I am planning on using one as the foundry map, should I post both in the mini-game section or put one in the foundry section?

Maps are done by categories they are posted in. If you have two maps that you classify as Mini-Games then they should probably both be posted in the Mini-Games forum, and therefore only one could be used for the Challenge.

[DeathsFriend22]

GUYS! i've been banned from Bungie.net, am I allowed to submit my maps with links to my File Share instead of a thread?

[Thomas]

GUYS! i've been banned from Bungie.net, am I allowed to submit my maps with links to my File Share instead of a thread?
Depends, tell us what you did. ;)



Yeah, you can submit from your fileshare but this shouldn't happen, maybe we should be looking at banning you... :p

[DeathsFriend22]

I quoted spam lol

[PsychoBucket]

I quoted spam lol

EVIL!!!!! :mad:

[PsychoBucket]

I just noticed the definition of Mini-game from the mini-game forum. It said "For the non-killing maps, including: race tracks, puzzle maps, etc..." All my mini-games involve killing! Does that mean they are not mini-games?

[Null Parameter]

I just noticed the definition of Mini-game from the mini-game forum. It said "For the non-killing maps, including: race tracks, puzzle maps, etc..." All my mini-games involve killing! Does that mean they are not mini-games?
No, that doesn't mean they are not Mini-Games. I'm not sure where the "no killing" part came from.

[DeathsFriend22]

lol my only minigame has to do with killing people to stop them entering your base, so...

[PsychoBucket]

No, that doesn't mean they are not Mini-Games. I'm not sure where the "no killing" part came from.

Ok another mini-game question. I have this map that works with multiple gametypes(slayer, Infection, Koth, and territories), based on that I wouldn't classify it as a mini-game. But based on the layout of the map some might consider it a mini-game. So, where should I put it? Maybe I'll just post it, and if im wrong you can move it.

[Null Parameter]

Ok another mini-game question. I have this map that works with multiple gametypes(slayer, Infection, Koth, and territories), based on that I wouldn't classify it as a mini-game. But based on the layout of the map some might consider it a mini-game. So, where should I put it? Maybe I'll just post it, and if im wrong you can move it.
Based on that description, I would say not a mini-game, but there is always room for interpretation.

[PsychoBucket]

Ok thanks. I should have all my maps posted by tomarrow because I'll be gone for the weekend.

[PsychoBucket]

First of all, Yes, I do realize I ask way to many questions.

My question is about the Infection map. I started forging a map for this competition in the Infection category. When I finished I realized I could not make an Infection map ("All of the maps that are dedicated to the gametype of infection") Even though I made it with the intent of Infection, I can not waste a perfectly good map by dedicating it to only one gametype. For that reason I added all of the other gametypes to it. Now I have three choices.

1) Don't add an infection map to the competition.
2) Ask if I can add it, but have it judged only on the Infection aspect of it.
3) Go back and delete the other gametypes.

So basically my question is choice 2.

[DeathsFriend22]

thats actually an interesting question. Kenny?Null?Thomas?

I would, however, assume that you could submit it as an infection map and in the description say it works for other stuff too.

[Null Parameter]

1) Don't add an infection map to the competition.
2) Ask if I can add it, but have it judged only on the Infection aspect of it.
3) Go back and delete the other gametypes.

So basically my question is choice 2.
That sounds reasonable. I understand that it is tough to have a map ONLY for infection. But for the contest, it will only be graded on infection.