"Best" of Forge

[Zackj191]

So, I went and took a look at the "best" of forge and found almost EVERY SINGLE MAP was made by either a moderator or someone who has close ties to the mods and higherups except pennyless and regicide pretty much every single map has a name that was either a color or still is a color.

http://www.forgehub.com/forum/announcements/59407-best-forge-fall-winter-2008-a-3.html#post752549 thats what I replied

[wiggums]

and that is why we are not there, and are here.

[Tex]

Let me get a napkin, so y'all can wipe away those tears...

But seriously, boo-fuckin-hoo, grow up.

[Mace]

Nearly every map there is made by a colored member that obtained thier color via premium. does that not suggest something?

[Tex]

The only reason they are colored to begin with is because they earned it through the art of forge (For those who need further explanation, since they are good at forge, it would only make sense that they should win the best of forge). I can't believe this discussion is still on-going...

[RightSideTheory]

Let me get a napkin, so y'all can wipe away those tears...

But seriously, boo-fuckin-hoo, grow up.

Okay, way to harsh there Tecks.

Nearly every map there is made by a colored member that obtained thier color via premium. does that not suggest something?

Maybe they were actually good at forge, so you know they got moved up on a forge website...?

The only reason they are colored to begin with is because they earned it through the art of forge (For those who need further explanation, since they are good at forge, it would only make sense that they should win the best of forge). I can't believe this discussion is still on-going...
...Dammit I don't like agreeing with you...

[Tex]

Okay, way to harsh there Tecks.

You're probably right. Although this type of thread is old & irritating.

[RightSideTheory]

You're probably right. Although this type of thread is old & irritating.

Agreed, but it will keep getting posted over and over and over again....

"OMFG CONSPIRACY". It makes them feel better about not having power to slander others with power.

[Tex]

Agreed, but it will keep getting posted over and over and over again....

"OMFG CONSPIRACY". It makes them feel better about not having power to slander others with power.

Holy mother of awesome quotes. +1 e-penis.

[Coyote1023]

Agreed, but it will keep getting posted over and over and over again....

"OMFG CONSPIRACY". It makes them feel better about not having power to slander others with power.

No, it is not a conspiracy at all. And no, I don't think that they stacked the vote. It is selfish staff caring more about themselves and self gain then the site as a whole, why did staff get it? Members hoping that those staff will "reward" them for the votes they give them. Which obviously won't happen.

[Tex]

THE PUBLIC VOTED ON BEST OF FORGE YOU MORONS, YOU HAD YOUR CHANCES TO VOTE. EVERYONE DID. IF YOU LOST, THEN QUIT YOUR BITCHING, BUT YOU LOST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE DISAGREED THAT YOUR MAP WAS THE BEST.

Guess what? Too-fucking-bad.

[H3C x Nevz]

Tex is right. Entirely right. There was no assembly in the beginning of time to elect random colored names and give them privileges above everyone else, plus popularity. They earned it. Like I said, Tex, you're right, but Jesus Christ, does cussing your brains out on every Halo 3 forum available make you feel tough?

[Coyote1023]

No one else said that it was stacked since your last post Tex...

Plus I didn't even expect to be in it or nominated

[Morphine]

While I agree that most of the coloreds on FH are decent forgers, there are a number of over looked members who do not have connections with the higher ups on the site. Not only has this already been stated by a number of the colored members, this gives them an obvious disadvantage in a contest which deals mainly with popularity. The problem with contest is it's not really the best map, it's the most popularized.

This is something we are trying to improve upon by giving the community the vote in who exactly is featured. This encourages the community to play any maps being consisted. Rather than an openly bias group of select elected officials deciding what everyone else on the site will like.

[Tex]

Oh shit, sorry coyote, I misread your post.

@nevs, doesn't make me feel tough, i use it for emphasis, and when people are stupid, i don't just swear, i sing.

[zeslipperyfish]

Let me get a napkin, so y'all can wipe away those tears...

But seriously, boo-fuckin-hoo, grow up.
I love this guy.

[GodlyPerfection]

Tex you are completely right that the community did the voting, but I can guarantee you that over 80% of those votes were because those maps got featured, and the community has very little say in the featured process. Yes everything was nominated, but very few times do people actually nominate a map that hasn't already been popularized mainly because they feel that it will just get shunned unless the higher ups really approve of it.

Yes the community had a vote this time around, but in most other aspects things are stacked for the already popular people, yes they are good forgers, but why advertise someone that advertises themselves (not directly, but through their good maps) by walking around and being awesome. Time should be spent advertising those that aren't popular yet and that deserve that. With the current system all that ends up happening is a constant loop of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Every once in a while a person with connections is going to be recognized. But that is all... the point is that FH doesn't put in that little bit of extra effort to go through the communities stuff. It's "too much work" because there are so many "noobs" posting. There is always a system to make it work, but the FH staff is too afraid to waste all that time because those noobs are insignificant to them. Whether they are "noobish" or not, they deserve the same amount of acknowledgement, review, and constructive criticism as everyone else. This is something that FH does not support... and this is why I do not frequent the site as often anymore...

[iTz BiG d]

Tex you are completely right that the community did the voting, but I can guarantee you that over 80% of those votes were because those maps got featured, and the community has very little say in the featured process. Yes everything was nominated, but very few times do people actually nominate a map that hasn't already been popularized mainly because they feel that it will just get shunned unless the higher ups really approve of it.

Yes the community had a vote this time around, but in most other aspects things are stacked for the already popular people, yes they are good forgers, but why advertise someone that advertises themselves (not directly, but through their good maps) by walking around and being awesome. Time should be spent advertising those that aren't popular yet and that deserve that. With the current system all that ends up happening is a constant loop of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Every once in a while a person with connections is going to be recognized. But that is all... the point is that FH doesn't put in that little bit of extra effort to go through the communities stuff. It's "too much work" because there are so many "noobs" posting. There is always a system to make it work, but the FH staff is too afraid to waste all that time because those noobs are insignificant to them. Whether they are "noobish" or not, they deserve the same amount of acknowledgement, review, and constructive criticism as everyone else. This is something that FH does not support... and this is why I do not frequent the site as often anymore...

Interesting to hear from the forum guilder honestly. Someone who loved and supported a system that was filled of extreme elitism and very high selectivity. Now, it's awesome if you've changed your opinion AZN, but to be honest, a community opinion on featured maps basically devalues the prestige of a feature. What makes a feature so special is that someone has recognized how awesome your map just is, and not an overall popularity contest.

Now you say the feature system here is much better, and yet you oppose forgehubs recent best of forge. Well in all honesty, it's exactly the same thing. Nominations by the community, votes by the community, maps picked as winners or features. Either way it's all the basis of like you said, the more well known maps and members garnering the attention. There, it effected BoF, here it will effect every feature, especially as the site grows.

Overall, the two sites can exist separately, people just need to learn that. Either be members of both, or stick to one. Going around flaming and parading is just making yourself and the site look like fools. The admins here seem like great guys, it's a few of the members who believe they deserve something that are ruining it for everyone.

[Mace]

Maybe they were actually good at forge, so you know they got moved up on a forge website...?

That's exactly what I was saying... -.-

[GodlyPerfection]

Interesting to hear from the forum guilder honestly. Someone who loved and supported a system that was filled of extreme elitism and very high selectivity. Now, it's awesome if you've changed your opinion AZN, but to be honest, a community opinion on featured maps basically devalues the prestige of a feature. What makes a feature so special is that someone has recognized how awesome your map just is, and not an overall popularity contest.

There is a huge difference between the system now and the system then. Back then we picked guilders not just for Forging ability but also for personality. i can't tell you how many applications we turned down because they were cocky and arrogant but their maps were good. Under the current system if your maps are good enough you become high enough and you represent the community. SOme premiums don't deserve to represent the site because of additude. And the system we had was because the group wasn't supposed to be a community forging site... it was for the best of the best to come together and show off. Later we started finding features by the community and when we selected we made sure we had variety and something for everyone. Everyone trusted the guilders, and for good reason. Not everyone trusts the current colors and this is because you don't have to be a good person to get colored. We used to hand pick moderators based on what we thought would be good for the community, personality wise and activity wise.

Now you see the feature system here is much better, and yet you oppose forgehubs recent best of forge. Well in all honesty, it's exactly the same thing. Nominations by the community, votes by the community, maps picked as winners or features. Either way it's all the basis of like you said, the more well known maps and members garnering the attention. There, it effected BoF, here it will effect every feature, especially as the site grows. There is a big difference in this however. Features set the basis for what the site looks for. Here EVERY feature is selected by the community. The influence of the community is what starts the basis and we will keep that standard throughout. And you assume that we have the same kind of people here as there are at FH... people here have a strong opinion and don't just garner to popularity. And the selection of the Top 5 is chosen by the coloreds... as long as their is a strong sense of fairness in the coloreds then the features will always be fair... trust me we've already spoken of this and have decided that it will be very difficult for some people to get multiple features and will do our best to offer variety in the options.

The problem with Forge Hub is that the staff set the basis with the features... not the community. So obviously the staff influence the community with every feature... rather than here the community influences the community under supervision of the coloreds. Best of forge you walk into with that "featured" influence. Here you have no influence in features becuase the point of features is that it is supposed to be unique enough to recognize. Also with the review team maps actually get looked at and played. We believe that everyone here has inalienable rights like we have as citizens in the US. We all have the right to equal acknowledgement, review, and constructive criticism... FH doesn't take the time to go through "noobish" maps... hence they get forgotten... we are coming up with new ways to have maps not be forgotten here... and make sure that no matter how little you are, your map will get some attention from the higher ups...


Overall, the two sites can exist separately, people just need to learn that. Either be members of both, or stick to one. Going around flaming and parading is just making yourself and the site look like fools. The admins here seem like great guys, it's a few of the members who believe they deserve something that are ruining it for everyone.

I completely agree there needs to be some self control in the members here.. we have a completely different focus than FH and other sites do... we focus on the custom games rather than the maps... we take a compeltely different look at things which will allow us to co-exist...

[Furry]

Tex you are completely right that the community did the voting, but I can guarantee you that over 80% of those votes were because those maps got featured, and the community has very little say in the featured process. Yes everything was nominated, but very few times do people actually nominate a map that hasn't already been popularized mainly because they feel that it will just get shunned unless the higher ups really approve of it.

I disagree, they listen if it is a good map. Usually maps are popularized by being good. No, not all spectacular maps get their attention but it is people's opinions, not a fact. If you look at the staff, some have barely been there. It is getting old with the whole corrupt thing. It is a site based around Forge and the maps created in it. Sure, there is other shit but the aim is still there and pretty spot on. Who cares if somebody is staff anyways. If somebody truly cared about their forges, they would create whatever comes to mind, disregard others' opinions and play it. Downloads do nothing.

In summary for the lazy:



Staff can't be corrupt if a website is based around forge or anything in the game for that matter.
You should value your opinions the most but not shove them down people's throat, like it is the best thing ever.
Forge is about the maps, not the downloads.
Fun is always better the feuds. Can't we all just have fun?

That was not really directed towards AZN, but he brought it up and I figured I would give some insight. ;)

and that is why we are not there, and are here.

Wiggums, seriously? I have lost much disrespect for you. You're colored here, you contradicted yourself kind of. In the Forge Hub thread, "I'm not colored and stuff" and the irony continues. Stop acting like it was the worst thing. A bridge should never be burned, especially if the bridge you are currently on, is still building.

The only reason they are colored to begin with is because they earned it through the art of forge (For those who need further explanation, since they are good at forge, it would only make sense that they should win the best of forge). I can't believe this discussion is still on-going...

You're correct but "It would only make sense that should win the best of forge." Ordinary members should win as well, I hope that was a typo or something.

Closing:

In the end, what does it matter? Does it really matter to you? If you're complaining, why help them? Why fuel the fire? Why make enemies when you could be forging? Why don't you make your own list? Why don't you make your own site? Why does it matter?

[GodlyPerfection]

I disagree, they listen if it is a good map. Usually maps are popularized by being good. No, not all spectacular maps get their attention but it is people's opinions, not a fact. If you look at the staff, some have barely been there. It is getting old with the whole corrupt thing. It is a site based around Forge and the maps created in it. Sure, there is other shit but the aim is still there and pretty spot on. Who cares if somebody is staff anyways. If somebody truly cared about their forges, they would create whatever comes to mind, disregard others' opinions and play it. Downloads do nothing.


I agree with you to an extent... the staff has done a lot of stupid little things that have brought them to this point. I agree, some of those good maps get recognized... but he general consensus is what I was referring to... and general consensus is built into a community by the rest of the community and the staff... they could have done thigns quite differently and they wouldn't see so many complaints.

And about the whole corrupt staff thing... I don't think you have seen everything that the staff does nevz... the immaturity and the way they talk about the community in general is degrading and ridiculous... some of you should take a gander at the staff forums there... it's pretty bad... it was never that bad... things have changed and I am disappointed.. I feel that I have quite the say on what has happened over at FH, cuz I helped build it and support it, and it has changed a little for the good, but alot for the worse.. that's just how I feel. And I would go forge and stuff, but I care about eh community over here, so I'm doing stuff like this instead of doing things for myself...

[Furry]

AZN, I know the staff can be ridiculous. I'm in GoO, I get brief overflow kind of taste from it. It can be degrading but I tend to not care. Why fight the power, when you can start your own?
Do not try and bend the spoon.
That's impossible.
Instead... only try to realize the truth.
What truth?
There is no spoon.
There is no spoon?
Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

I'll leave you with that.

[GodlyPerfection]

lol this is why I love you Furry... and you are right.. but I still care about FH cuz I helped build the site... so I still want to see it fixed so FH and XF can have some healthy competition.. I don't like this playing dirty all the time stuff. it get's too hectic...

[Furry]

I know you liked the site, as much as you hate it now, it is hard to give up on what you helped out in the beginning. This thread won't help though. This is not healthy competition. I think we should kind of have a lock down on all Forge Hub threads. Meaning; we don't have these threads, we don't need them. If somebody does decide to make them, I think they should be locked immediately. The staff at Forge Hub doesn't like these threads as much as we do. They're not constructive and somebody's words always get misinterpreted or go to far. Now, please, lock this thread.

Fair?

[BabySmuggler]

If I moderator does happen along this could you hide it or something? The last thing we need if for people to start copying and pasting the most bias opinions and pass it off as the general idea here. In fact about half the people here don't care either way what the new debate is before FH and XF. Lets just forget it and go buy the Mythic's shall we?

[iTz BiG d]

Basically, the community turns against the staff, which is oh so obvious, and decides to make things more difficult for everyone. With backlogging in bullshit that shouldn't have to be dealt with, how do you even deal with the sites main purpose? Forgehub offered a ton of ways that the community could help out and try to gain recognition for their favorite maps. Hell, there is a thread dedicated to nominating features, and what goes in there most of the time? Their buddies absolute shit map. Or a colored members map. There are a lot of colored members there, about the entirety of the active community here, of course they are going to have feature maps, they are the better forgers.

If the community has such issues, they could easily offer suggestions, not every single one of the staff members is a complete asshole. There are staff there for the betterment of the site, and would love to see things turn around. I'm curious azn, who exactly do you have problems with there?

[Thomas]

If I moderator does happen along this could you hide it or something? The last thing we need if for people to start copying and pasting the most bias opinions and pass it off as the general idea here. In fact about half the people here don't care either way what the new debate is before FH and XF. Lets just forget it and go buy the Mythic's shall we?
This is a good debate that has pretty much solved itself... If someone wants to copy/paste to create slander, they're just an asshole who would be digging everywhere to find something, anything, to discredit us.

Wiggums, seriously? I have lost much disrespect for you. You're colored here, you contradicted yourself kind of. In the Forge Hub thread, "I'm not colored and stuff" and the irony continues. Stop acting like it was the worst thing. A bridge should never be burned, especially if the bridge you are currently on, is still building.
He's colored for donations. A lot of things that were said yesterday were ridiculous, like his post...