Fishlowl

[Null Parameter]

Fishlowl


This winner of our first Community Featured Map is Denominator, with his map Fishlowl. Here is a short video highlighting this frantically fun and chaotic mini-game.

YouTube - XForgery Feature: Fishlowl
Sorry for the sound distortion
It happened when it was uploaded to YouTube


I hope you enjoy this map as much as we have!

Now, go download this (http://www.xforgery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267), if you haven't already!

And make sure to nominate your favorite maps (http://www.xforgery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237) for next weeks feature!

Original Fishlowl Thread (http://www.xforgery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267)

[GodlyPerfection]

Very cool, very cool... the first Featured Custom of XForgery... WOOT!!! For those that don't know... all featured maps get a video made by our Affiliates Sour Grunt Productions... SPecial thanks... and like Null said nominate what you want to be the next feature here:

nominate your favorite maps (http://www.xforgery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237)

[Scope]

That looks pretty fun. Glad to see the community feature thing is working.

[Denominator]

Thanks again guys - that video is sweet. Too bad about the sound but still a pretty sick video.

Question: who won that game? It looked like blue was dominating.

[HomerSPC]

yup, blue won. We came back.

[H3C x Nevz]

This looks very interesting. I'm guessing the walls are sloped at the angle of stairs? Now, when you say using lasers is fun, are you talking about just swapping starting weapons? I'd definitely like to get a game in on this.

[Null Parameter]

I'm guessing the walls are sloped at the angle of stairs?
You would be correct. I know this mainly because I was the guy running around the floor of Foundry, while Denominator put this all together. ;)

Now, when you say using lasers is fun, are you talking about just swapping starting weapons? I'd definitely like to get a game in on this.Yep, that's exactly what he means. Some of our favorite starting weapons are Spartan Laser, Sniper or Random.

[H3C x Nevz]

You would be correct. I know this mainly because I was the guy running around the floor of Foundry, while Denominator put this all together. ;)


Ah, I have a friend like you for my forge parties. He's a little harder to convince "not to snipe me or run me over with a floating wraith" while I'm attempting to interlock something. ;) Once I get my connection figured out, I need to go to one of you guys' customs to check out a few of the classics.

[HomerSPC]

it doesn't really look like a fishbowl...

needz more interlocking...and cover..it's really open...

1.5/5 i think

Who acres if it has interlocking, cover or anything? In fact, who said it was a COMPETITIVE map? It is a Mini-game map played on King of the Hill.

[banshee111]

the bowl is cool, nice interlocking.

[Denominator]

Originally Posted by iTz BiG d View Post
it doesn't really look like a fishbowl...

needz more interlocking...and cover..it's really open...

1.5/5 i think

More interlocking? Really?

[GodlyPerfection]

lol.. I already wrote a visitor msg to him Den... don't worry about it for now.. damn FH habits...

[banshee111]

Nice misspelling on a Feature title btw, adds a nice touch of professionalism.

[Null Parameter]

Nice misspelling on a Feature title btw, adds a nice touch of professionalism.
Seriously, stop looking for anything bad to comment on, and if you still seek to do so, do your homework.

There is no misspelling. That is the title of the map. It isn't Fishbowl, it is Fishlowl.

[BabySmuggler]

Hahaha wow. Anything else wrong? Do we all need new haircuts too? Nice map Denominator, congrats on the Feature. Go Fishbowl! I mean, uh, Fishlowl.

[banshee111]

touche sir, touche.

[BabySmuggler]

Hahaha its alright, we've all earned +1 dick point from time to time.

[Denominator]

Seriously, stop looking for anything bad to comment on, and if you still seek to do so, do your homework.

There is no misspelling. That is the title of the map. It isn't Fishbowl, it is Fishlowl.

Not to mention the b-l mix-up is one you see all the time. I mean, those two keys are soooooo close together.

[Kenny M]

I remember this map when you guys just finished merging 4 boxes and finished the floor, we then continued to merge fusion coils into the floor which made it a lot more exiting XD, but seriously more interlocking? Almost everything is interlocked lol..

[Forge]

wow cool looking map, congratz on the first new feature. It looks really fun for multi team koth.

[RightSideTheory]

but seriously more interlocking? Almost everything is interlocked lol..

Are you kidding? Almost none of the boxes on the outer walls are interlocked, and none of them are inverted so the smooth side is up, they are really bumpy and un-even.

[Null Parameter]

Are you kidding? Almost none of the boxes on the outer walls are interlocked, and none of them are inverted so the smooth side is up, they are really bumpy and un-even.
You shouldn't be spending hardly any time on the boxes. You run forward to the hill, die, and do it again. Otherwise, you'll never win.

[RightSideTheory]

You shouldn't be spending hardly any time on the boxes. You run forward to the hill, die, and do it again. Otherwise, you'll never win.

Thats not the point I was making Null.... Just because you shouldn't spend all your time there doesn't mean he couldn't have taken an extra hour two make sure all the boxes were strait and locked up.

[Null Parameter]

Thats not the point I was making Null.... Just because you shouldn't spend all your time there doesn't mean he couldn't have taken an extra hour two make sure all the boxes were strait and locked up.
But, in the end, it doesn't get in the way of gameplay at all. You have to fight the urge to say that interlocking is necessary, in the least. Yes, it could look a little prettier, but who cares as long as it is fun?

[GodlyPerfection]

I am in full agreeance... And sometimes you don't need the smooth side up... why? Because it gives off a different "feel" as the top... sometimes you need the rough surface, sometimes you need the smooth one... it depends on the "feel" of the map... I am imagining it with flipped boxes, and the feel of the map isn't as chaotic... it's supposed to be chaotic... now if you wanted a clean killing feel like MLG maps, you flip it over... but if you want to encourage chaos, you use the top...

[Denominator]

Are you kidding? Almost none of the boxes on the outer walls are interlocked, and none of them are inverted so the smooth side is up, they are really bumpy and un-even.

They don't matter. I hate how everyone wants the boxes to be flipped over. Bungie designed the boxes to be set the way they are, but now everyone wants the boxes to be flipped over. I like the look of the right-side up boxes better.

You shouldn't be spending hardly any time on the boxes. You run forward to the hill, die, and do it again. Otherwise, you'll never win.

Exactly. If you go into forge mode, you'll notice that all the spawns are on the boxes. Literally, all 100 spawn points ring the top layer of boxes, and they all face the hill for a reason. Maybe in slayer you'd stay up there, but the point was to make players go for the hill. If I had more walls or the jump barrier wasn't so high, I was going to try making players spawn in the air and fall immediately.

Thats not the point I was making Null.... Just because you shouldn't spend all your time there doesn't mean he couldn't have taken an extra hour two make sure all the boxes were strait and locked up.

They don't need to be interlocked. Just because they can be interlocked doesn't mean they need to be. The bowl itself is all locked together because it needs to be, the boxes interlock in the corners so grenades can't escape, but other than that there was no point in spending the time to interlock everything.

But, in the end, it doesn't get in the way of gameplay at all. You have to fight the urge to say that interlocking is necessary, in the least. Yes, it could look a little prettier, but who cares as long as it is fun?

Average lifespan on Fishlowl KotH is about 5 seconds. Who is spending their 5 seconds looking at the aesthetics of the map?

I am in full agreeance... And sometimes you don't need the smooth side up... why? Because it gives off a different "feel" as the top... sometimes you need the rough surface, sometimes you need the smooth one... it depends on the "feel" of the map... I am imagining it with flipped boxes, and the feel of the map isn't as chaotic... it's supposed to be chaotic... now if you wanted a clean killing feel like MLG maps, you flip it over... but if you want to encourage chaos, you use the top...

I understand that I could have made this map better and cleaner. But you also have to understand that this is an OLD map. I started working on it just after XForgery (then H3Forgery) started. So a lot of the techniques that we take for granted or, in some cases, seem to expect, weren't common then. Like the flipped boxes. Like interlocking everything. Anyone want to point out that the hill is not at 90 degrees, it's slightly tilted?

I could go through and redo the map. Fix everything. Interlock everything. Make it all pretty and nice and "ForgeHub Quality". But I'm not going to. The map plays brilliantly, like it was designed to, and my time is much better spent working on new maps and ideas (Valkyrie and Warthog Wingman FTW!) rather than making an old map look pretty.

[dopeydan]

this looks pretty sweet. Deserves the feature :D . Cant wait to DL.